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January 31, 2008

Inside With: Pete Holmes
By: Eliot Glazer

Pete Holmes is a special brand of comedian: he's boisterous, sharp, and he fills a room with his energy and physical presence (he's like 7 feet tall!). Trained in improv, Pete's erratic self-deprecating observational humor carries with it a specific charisma that makes him one of The Apiary's favorites around town. In between namedropping, Pete found some time to gab about his Chicago background, the artifice of stand up, and some other things.

How long have you been doing stand-up? Did you start at home in Massachusetts?
Whenever I read an interview on here--and I think I'm not alone in this--I tend to scan it for my name to see if the person mentions me. So I'm going to pepper this with some names so other comics read it. Roger Hailes.

Anyway, it's been about six years. I did start in Boston, but only briefly before I moved to Chicago, so I feel like I was a product of the Chicago scene more than my hometown. John Mulaney.

How did you find the comedy scene there as compared to here?
The scene was wonderful. It was a terrific place to start. No industry, which was good because none of us were really ready to been seen by industry, so we just got to try out standup in a low-pressure environment. Well, starting comedy is high-pressure, but without the added pressure, let's say, of having some execs in the crowd. I started the same exact week as Kumail and Rob Buscemi, two wonderful comics (and Kumail just moved to NYC). It was like we were a class, and we all graduated from the scene at the same time and continue to keep in touch. It's real cool.

The crux of the Chicago scene was the Lyon's Den, an open mic that hosted somewhere between 25 and 50 comics a night. For serious. Everyone who signed up got on, and a lot of people signed up. This was our Monday night. We'd put our names in the bucket, hope to God that we were picked to go before 2:00am, and hang out after our sets. There was a real sense of community and a lot of great friends were made during that time. We were less focused on making it, because, well, there's no TV there, so it was just about the ha-has.

That sense of community exists here, too. When I went to Fifty First Jokes, I think all the comics would agree, we all felt like a nice little clown commune. That was a fun night. John F O'Donnell.

I love watching you on stage because you self-edit, but unlike so many comedians whose self-editing feels undeniably prepared in an effort to make them look "quirky" or "off the cuff," yours rings true because you actually get mad--sometimes furious--at yourself. Is that something you've always done or was adopted into your stand-up?
It's somewhat new. I feel like the crowds I perform for in NY respond well to honesty. All crowds do, mostly, but especially here where the rooms are smaller and more intimate. So I stopped censoring my thoughts on stage (for the most part). Sometimes I offend myself, or catch myself saying something stupid, or trip-up a word, or realize some secret bad thought was coming through me subconsciously, and instead of marking that as an accident and trying to hide it, those moments become the most important parts of the show for me. It's weird, and hopefully funny, to watch someone at odds with themselves, kind of a "how can this be what my brain gave me to say right now?" thing. We all feel that way sometimes, but a lot of folks are trying to look smart and put-together, and I've found a lot of joy in letting go of that idea and just saying, "Hey, we're all dumb some of the time." I know I am.

Your self-deprecation is at its funniest when, in the middle of a bit, you'll stop and say how much comedy "sucks." Explain what is it about comedy that you find so frustrating (when this happens).
Sometimes it bothers me, the convention in standup of talking about something you've talked about before and acting like it's the first time. So I like to let the audience in on that feeling. I often say "Don't you hate comedy?" while I'm trying to change topics and be smooth about it. I'm not smooth, and it's an awkward thing to do, change topics. It's just about being honest. I feel like I'm trying to get away with something and it's funnier to me to point that out.

The video below is an infamous account of having bombed at a mainstream comedy club in suburban Illinois. What are the strongest differences between playing mainstream clubs, colleges and alternative venues?

It's funny--the week I shot that video, the headliner was Bill Burr, who's one of my favorites, and he did very well. So that crowd wasn't impossible, I was just really new; I had no chops as a performer. And clubs are where comics tend to get their chops, performing for terrible crowds at terrible hours following terrible sets. I don't think I've earned any chops at Rififi, you know? It's too nice. It's the places I hate that taught me how to swim in choppy water. Choppy water? I just didn't want to say "chops" for the thirteenth time. Chops. So that's something good about clubs, even though it's unpleasant.

I really enjoy colleges. The crowds are young, naturally, attentive (although you may not think it, they're almost never drinking), and tend to be comedy fans--a lot of campuses I play have a comic a week for the entire year, so they know who's who. They're also open to playing around and being weird. Clubs like you to just straight up do your act, in my experience, and have less patience for random improvisations and the general nonsense that makes standup enjoyable for me. I really don't like doing the same jokes over and over. I need to experiment to have fun and the club audiences sometimes don't know what to do with that. Sometimes. Of course, there are exceptions. And the alt scene is somewhere in between these two.

This isn't always the case, but the alt scene seems less status-obsessed than the clubs in New York. When I worked the New York clubs more, there was a lot of competition and it made me uneasy--who is "passed" at which clubs, who gets what spots, who gets what money, etc. For instance, when I first moved here, there was a strike at the clubs. I was freaking out because I had just got here and the club I was working was pushing me to perform on the night the other comics were striking (New Year's Eve, 2004) and other comics were threatening me if I did "cross the picket line." (Bobby Kelly told me he'd hit me with a brick if I didn't strike. Now I'm sure he was kidding, but at the time I wasn't 100% certain.) When I first went to Invite Them Up around that time, I asked Eugene what they were all doing for the strike. He said, "What strike?" That was one of the moments where I knew the downtown scene was more my speed.

Although, I recently heard someone say so-and-so was "passed" at Invite Them Up and I almost hurled. Do people say "hurled" anymore? Matt McCarthy.

You told Gothamist about how you build tension when on stage, which is a great way of articulating what you do extremely well and in less of an accusatory way than other comics, many of whom choose to isolate the audience. Has it always been integral to your comedic styling?
It took a long time for me to get comfortable with myself on stage, to be comfortable with that tension that can fill a room between laughs. But with a little more confidence, I really got to love the feeling of "me and the crowd--we're all in this together." It's not my show; it's our show. The crowd makes the show good, which I know sounds pandering and cheesy, but it's true. Nick Kroll. But I like the audience to know how much power they have over my set, whereas maybe other comics I've seen try and approach it with a little more machismo.

I also distract easily, so if someone sneezes or a big group goes to the bathroom or says something, I really have to address it. I've been at shows where comics ignore a buzzing light or a weird painting over their heads or what have you. I'm just incapable of doing that. Maybe that's annoying sometimes, I'm not sure. I've had people tell me they were holding their breath during my show so they wouldn't make any sounds for me to comment on. That's weird. But it's how I work. Joselyn Hughes.

You are trained in improv but have focused more on stand-up. Any reason why or was it a natural progression?
I love improv, but it relies so heavily on other people. A director, a team, a theater... it's hard work. Stand-up is limited pretty much only by yourself. So if you have some drive and some good jokes you can start a whole lot which is a thrill. It also gets your name out there pretty effectively. Also, I tend to be a bit overbearing in improv; I like to steer the car. Standup is a lot more exciting for me because all the good and bad that happens is chalked up to you and you alone. So, when it goes well, it's a huge rush. Baron Vaughn. Now when I improvise with a team, I try and focus on making other people look good. This is a different type of satisfaction, one I miss, but stand-up is still the biggest high for me as a performer.

Tell us a little bit behind your show Gutbucket.
I think Anthony King was looking for comics to host an open-mic and Mulaney and Kroll recommended me and TJ Miller as we had guest-hosted Oh, Hello a couple times as a duo. While TJ has been swept to LA to be superhilarious, he and I have done several together and, when he's not available, I get to host with some other great comics. Charles Star. Like Charles Star.

I wanted to do it because I love seeing the new crop of comics work it out. Even when it's "bad," it's still great to see where we all come from. Everyone is shaky at first, and you're never always good. I like to see little pieces of myself in the new guys. It's like a bonding experience, I think, and helps me stay connected to the community. And, UCB crowds are my favorite in the city and performing in between the acts and up top is one of the highlights of my month.

Your cartoons have been featured in The New Yorker. How much has that boosted your cred as both an artist and a comic?
It's almost exclusively my writing as a comic that got me in the New Yorker. They hated my drawings for a long time until I came up with a style that was "okay enough." And, of course, a couple good words from established cartoonists at the magazine like Matt Diffee and Jack Ziegler helped a ton. But they always liked my jokes and knew me as a comedian, so I kept at it until they caved. But I do enjoy drawing, even if they're not the coolest looking drawings ever; I like them.

What are some of your favorite shows to appear in around town?
I like a lot of the Comix shows at Ochi's and upstairs. Rififi, of course, while it lasts. Totally J/K, and Invite Them Up. I'm looking forward to doing Gabe and Jenny's show in Williamsburg and, speaking of Williamsburg, Archers of Ha was a lot of fun. Crash Test, of course, anything at UCB, and Sweet is always fun.

What's next on your plate?
I'm taking the current strike as an opportunity to write some stuff hoping that things will move quickly once the strike is over and people will want to hear pitches. I'd really love to make some television that I can call my own (like Ricky Gervais and The Office), so I'm shooting for that to happen. Also some movie pitches, some ideas floating around, some more touring, some local touring (I'm working more and more with the hilarious Thomas Middleditch on some two-man stuff), more cartoons, and some shorts with Matt McCarthy and Oren Brimer. This sounds like a lot, but mostly I play a lot of Xbox.

Posted by The Apiary at January 31, 2008 1:12 PM

Comments

nice!

Posted by: keith h. at January 31, 2008 3:10 PM

Pete Holmes reminds me of Andy Kindler. I wonder what Pete would think of that?!

Posted by: Keith Whitener at January 31, 2008 4:46 PM

that video is outrageous

Posted by: chesslee at January 31, 2008 5:51 PM

I love Andy Kindler!

Also, sometimes when I say "Pete" on the phone, people think I'm saying "Keith." So, in a way, only Keiths have left comments. In a very inaccurate way.

Is it weird I scanned my own interview for my name?

Posted by: Pete Holmes at January 31, 2008 5:56 PM

Thanx for mentioning Ochi's (the new Mofifikins)! Even though you've probably hit your head on the ceiling more than once.

Posted by: Billy Reno at February 1, 2008 12:29 PM

I can't believe Pete didn't drop my name. I hope he's scanning these comments and looking for his name. Chris Jurek.

Posted by: Matt Goldich at February 1, 2008 12:55 PM

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